Longhorn

[AlphaAlien]

Despite the obvious bugs with IE and Taskshelf what's everyone's take on it so far?

[Michael]

my take is.
your crazy if you try it

[Rudy]

mike mike mike.......why cant you have a lil bit of faith, you should give it a shot before saying bad stuff about it.......

[Rudy]

one more hour to download..... so ill have it tomorow :) (cuz im going to bed....) ill tell u guys more about it tomorow

[AlphaAlien]

I know people are crazy to download it since I know the bugs in it :p unlike michael who just thinks people are crazy :D j/k

[nomis_nehc]

haha, seriously, I want to know too. I am going to up it to a friend. This weekend I am going over to his place and blow up his computer. Teeheehee...

(whistle) <- It wasn't me! I swear it was dead before! ;)

[Mowzeror]

Originally posted by AlphaAlien
Despite the obvious bugs with IE

The crash in IE 6.05.3683.0 is caused by a missing resource in shell32.dll the AVI for the download animation is missing. #170 -1033

You can add the resource by using the AVI 170 in shell32.dll from XP or .Net

Or whenever you download a file, cover up the transfer dialog quickly with another window lol, and the download will complete.

Replacing IE 6.05 with IE6 SP1 is also something you can do to get rid of the download crash.

[Rudy]

yea, the bug with IE is fixable, but what's the bug with the taskshelf???? i've used it for a bit and nothing went wrong

[Michael]

if you want to try it just try win.net
its the same thing with out the dock

[Rudy]

nah the shell is different :)

and btw mike it didnt crash my computer :p

[Michael]

win.net and longhorn according to MS staff that I've spoken to is the same thing except for the dock in Longhorn

[Rudy]

its true that they're using Windows.NET as a base instead of XP (well to get the same result, download .NET and use that utility to change it to XP (you know the one that let you change win2k pro to server??))

[silly_walk]

Originally posted by Rudy
its true that they're using Windows.NET as a base instead of XP (well to get the same result, download .NET and use that utility to change it to XP (you know the one that let you change win2k pro to server??))

That utility does not work, all it does is change the boot screens, some other bitmaps and some registry entries to say 'server'.

[Mowzeror]

Originally posted by Michael
win.net and longhorn according to MS staff that I've spoken to is the same thing except for the dock in Longhorn

Its not just the dock the thats different between the 2. Avalon is a big part of Longhorn.

Thats the reason in the Alpha, when you switch from say My music to My Documents, you see a things go black for half a sec, rather then a smooth transition.

The same also applies to the zooming of folder views. When you look at folder, those aren't really classic icons but graphic representations instead.

Go into system32\Dll Cache and rename all the Avalon core and its dlls to .BAK then reboot.

When you look at the folders they will be straight icons, with no starting panes, or zoom-able views. In My Computer the status led on your drives will also be gone.

The other thing is WFS. The service part of it is on and running, but there is no WFS code or any implementation in the Alpha.

[AlphaAlien]

actually NTSwitch does even less than most people think. It only changes 2 registryentries that show LAN (for server) or normal for a standard (pro) install.

And Win.NET and Longhorn ARE NOT the same except for the dock and msstyle, their's a hell of a lot more changed. And a lot less changed in other areas. For example Longhorn uses the same WPA as XP even though .NET has a completely rewritten WPA in builds 3639 and above. Longhorn does have a partially rewritten explorer and theme engine, it's also including more of the XML task panes that were part of the original mock-up's for Neptune before it was integrated with oddyssey to create whistler.

[Timan]

the bar thing is going to take alot of getting used to but it is a prealpha so many many more changes will occur, the ver that was leaked is quite slow buggy of course, but not bad, wouldnt rush to try this though, wait till the betas.

[Sufian]

besides those bugs, looks ok to me..only took me 15 mins to download the iso (396kb/sec download speed..hehe)

[AlphaAlien]

anyone ever noticed that second bar in the systray with the dark blue background?

[Michael]

i guess aa wont be accepted into the longhorn beta

[AlphaAlien]

nah, I used a different account for the longhorn alpha than I did for my official MS betas. Also if I get this job I'm applying for then I'll get all the MS alphas and betas, and I won't leak a single one :p

[Michael]

i told ms all the accounts u have mwahahahahahahahahaha

[Mowzeror]

This is my longhorn installation after I removed the avalon core components...

http://members.lycos.co.uk/notsure101/AvalonDead.PNG

*Note zooming no longer works. My Documents completely disappeared, aswell as other shell folders including my hardware.
The folders are still on the system, and when viewing them, the new folder styles and start pages are gone.

There is no longer and black transition when navigating directories. Also the task tray with sidebar elements in it also no longer show the black blank pop ups.

System is also very unstable, but that could be more so because of the removal of IE6.5

I have just been having fun de-constructing the alpha build one element at a time.

:)

[Michael]

awww it fuged ur system up

i warned you i warned you all mwahahahahhahahaahahaha

[phantomAI]

I'm not crazy enough to put longhorn on my system...heck I haven't even tried Linux. I do plan on having linux on when I reformat my drives.

[Mowzeror]

Originally posted by Michael
awww it fuged ur system up

i warned you i warned you all mwahahahahhahahaahahaha

LOL. You should see my Longhorn installation now.

I can't even take screen-shots cause it no longer allows the actions, Copy or Paste. Also deleting no longer functions.

Ah well, I picked through it pretty close, had some fun. Time to wipe it out and put .net back.

[AlphaAlien]

doesn't really count as fugging it up since he had to work at it to make it fugged up :p

[Mowzeror]

Originally posted by AlphaAlien
doesn't really count as fugging it up since he had to work at it to make it fugged up :p

Yeah, on whole I would rate Longhorn Alpha a 6 out of 10 for stability. Before I started ripping things off it and playing around with all the files, I had no crashes, or any big errors.

Most of the stability can be improved. Fix the shell32.dll missing avi and that takes care of the IE error regarding crashing when downloading, or install a browser like Phoenix.

Adjusting the wfs service setting, gives a bit of a speed increase. Killing half the services that are on by default and not needed also improves load time and operation.

I never had any trouble with the side bar. But I guess some have. If it throws errors try UN-enabling it.

I am not sure what else. There is probably all sorts of things one can do. I hear people saying how awful it is etc. But thats expected its alpha. But even so its allot better then I expected.

What are some of things you did Alpha Alien to increase stability of longhorn? I see you turned it into media center edition. Pretty sweet.

[AlphaAlien]

I killed Windows Future Storage Services (NOT THE SAME AS WFS!), killed windows messenger, killed off almost half of the default services turned transparency off on the taskshelf (btw, the quicklaunch and MFU 'shelves' are really damn cool) I killed the preview pane in explorer (not an easy task keeps coming back even after it's maually turned off) which is the main cause of the slow downs when browsing folders/files. The slow mem leak in explorer is mostly due to the taskshelf effects but if you turn off a lot of the pretty effects like the ones on the menu it speeds it up and helps further slow down the explorer mem leaks. The IE bug never really got me since I use Phoenix. Later on today I'm going to write a how-to on making longhorn more stable and faster, and damn media center is cool

[Mowzeror]

Yeah I always abbreviate bits improperly such as WFS lol, or calling IE6.05, IE6.5 heh

Sounds cool. I look forward to reading your guide as others will to I am sure :)

Good tips all around.

[AlphaAlien]

:) thanks, and I understand I do the same thing with abbreviations just kind of annoying w/ everyone insisting that it's windows file system not just a bunch of storage services

[DarKnight20]

why is it that even tho i added the entry AVI:170:1033 into shell32.dll my internet explorer still crashes when i try to dl something?

[Mowzeror]

There are a bunch of new locations where copies of the shell 32 exist that need to be replaced, including the .mui's

Also for some its still looking for that avi and not finding it, and still crashing. I would install another browser and go with that.

For me it worked out and fixed the crashing. I am not sure what other methods people have also been using to fix the IE bug, as I haven't seen them posted anywhere, other then making sure another window is covering the download box when a download is in process.

It would be interesting to know whats working for people and what different methods they are taking.

[AlphaAlien]

phoenix is working fine for me :D

[Mowzeror]

http://xbetas.com/

[Tiburon]

Can someone mirror it/ send me it, cuz the link doesnt work :o

[Sumpfhuhn]

use getright and it will work!!!

sumpfhuhn

[Tiburon]

it doesnt work, windows complains about files being used

[Tiburon]

i did the crack finally, and it screwed everything up nice job :P My Computer is fux0ed and then windows sais i got a cd in the drive which when i click on it, shows my my documents funny :P this patch sucks ass

[Mowzeror]

Originally posted by Tiburon
i did the crack finally, and it screwed everything up nice job :P My Computer is fux0ed and then windows sais i got a cd in the drive which when i click on it, shows my my documents funny :P this patch sucks ass

Alpha OS's come with no support. heh. Use system restore (mentioned in read me) Or reinstall.

[Tiburon]

I know how to do it, in ur text it sais that the muis are same as the dlls, they arent

[alegator78]

I d/l the files and replaced them were I had to but when i came back from reboot, my documents wasn't there as long as right clicking opitions. Any ideas why or is it supposed to do that? I tried d/l iesp1 but when i got to try to install it says there is another app just just updated or something and i would need to reboot but says the same thing after reboot. Anyone got any ideas?Thanks!!

[King of Kitchen]

The ZIP. File have only 2.1 MB (corrupted) can everyone send to me please (king_of_kitchen@swissonline.ch)

Thanks

[^^Xp^^]

hi i was testing this patch and i need some help can you help me up it is not so good the info in this patch the txt isnt helpning at all


help me !!!